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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 13:12:48 GMT -5
So I see the Navajo is out. I had a look at their screenshots of the released version. If it matters to anyone, they have the GTN set up to GPS, but there is a red Nav flag still in the HSI window. My guess is that's a bug.
If anyone gets it, can they report on it here please? Thanks.
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Post by Bushpounder on Jun 30, 2015 22:15:56 GMT -5
I've been reading what others are writing on the forums. I can tell the reviews are written by people who have never flown a real plane, especially a twin. One person wrote it wasn't a complex aircraft. Well, if a Navajo isn't a complex aircraft, I don't know what the hell is. Also it is NOT a heavy twin as some are saying. I am sitting this one out for a bit. I also noticed on the Avsim forum that many others are sitting this one out to hear the results of the public beta testing. LOL!
BP;)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 22:25:17 GMT -5
Comments are very few at this point and almost all negative. I did notice in one of their screenshots that they had the GTN tuned and on GPS mode but their is still a red NAV flg in the HSI window. How the hell do you miss that??? I suspect they did see it but don't care, thinking they can release it in a totally unfinished condition and people will flock to it anyway. That was true at one point, but I don't think so much anymore.
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Post by pivo11 on Jul 1, 2015 1:29:56 GMT -5
At this point I don't think I'm going to get it. Sounds too much like we've been there before, I'm afraid. Anygate, airplanes I've got and I have my eyes on some scenery and that Pilot's mesh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 7:49:38 GMT -5
Well, there is a video up now on it. I've seen better reviews (meaning he thinks it's good eye-candy wise, but otherwise it leaves something to be desired, especially for the asking price). Things I noticed in the video are that I was incorrect about the To/From flag being missing - it is there (#2 VOR indicator). Something that carried forward from the 404 is that the AH is misaligned. In level flight it indicates you are definitely nose down. To climb you put the top of the "Vee" bar on the horizon line. That instrument is "out of spec" and would not be legal in IFR flight (it is adjustable in the shop, but it's also slaved so it's not pilot adjustable). I guess Carenado never flies IFR (I often wonder if they even know what that means). I'm certain the HSI is not slaved, even though it's supposed to be, so you will need to hit the "D" key (a rather unrealistic function if you're looking for a sim and not a toy). Bill (video) noted there is no sound reduction from full power until you get all the way down to 35" of MP, which suggests to me they have once again borrowed a sound file from a previous airplane and simply pasted it into this one. That's a "no-go" item for me (meaning I'm not getting it). The night lighting leaves everything to be desired and has a couple of really "odd" features (including one single red light over the AH, which the remaining post lights are white (  )). There is no flood lighting so at night your switches disappear completely and you can't tell what you're switching on/off until it happens. One guy on Avsim commented the following: So it is autopilot crippled. I know some who import their own A/P's but my approach is a preference towards what's used on the actual airplane, and what they included isn't it. That's likely the case with the 404, which I'm very unhappy about. All of these aircraft (except maybe in 3rd world countries) have been retrofitted long ago with updated electronics, and it seems especially ludicrous to include a 530/430 and/or GTN n50 on an airplane with only a 2 axis autopilot. Carenado is way out of touch with what's going on in the real world of aviation at this point. Whether an airplane on his field is what he modeled, and that airplane has only a 2 axis autopilot, a quick search of airliners.net would show that this configuration is very, very much in the minority and doesn't cut it in most parts of the world. My feeling is that it's too much like the 404 (and may even have borrowed many things from it), and is a typical Carenado product - long on eye candy and typically falls very short on systems. From the comments I'm reading on the various forums, it looks like most have caught on to this and while people would still buy the machines at $25 to $30, they are starting to shy away at prices over $35 for no significant improvements in overall quality. I personally, have no use for, or reason to buy the same bugs as I've bought with the previous model. I'm officially out on this one. My opinion and decision only - you of course are free to choose for yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 10:10:56 GMT -5
There is no way I'm buying this A/C. It is just not good enought, especially considering what they want for it.  I'm waiting for the Aztruck.  Carm. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 12:08:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and forget painting it. That's another no-go item for me. Anyway, there you go. All that said, if you are hot for a cabin-class twin for your VA, then this really does become an option (especially if you don't have the 404), and that's a whole different story. At least you'll know what you are getting ahead of time, which hopefully does help. If you do get it, I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts.
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Post by scottb on Jul 1, 2015 16:17:18 GMT -5
That's what's getting me the most these days. I could put up with some flaws at $25 to $30, but now they are starting to get into RealAir and A2A pricing. Both of those companies offer much more for your money these days. Carenado needs to up their game if they want to increase their prices. The trend doesn't look promising though.
-Scott
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Post by olderndirt on Jul 1, 2015 20:20:40 GMT -5
Buyers and sellers - that's the game. As the former diminishes, the latter slowly dies. "Requiescat In Pace".
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Post by Bushpounder on Jul 2, 2015 5:57:07 GMT -5
This is the first release by Carenado that people are not falling all over, and it is a plane I really wanted. By now, reviews and comments, usually positive by many (mostly non-r-w pilots), were on their second and third page. Not now. I hope they see this as a problem. People are smarter than just wanting "pretty". When the two artificial horizons don't match each other, there is a problem.
BP;)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 6:45:05 GMT -5
Yep. One new reply on Avsim says, "So the price goes up, while the feature list goes down ? Couple of quick service packs to not fix the issues and then on to the next rushed-out-the-door product, assembling parts from other previously-released substandard aircraft inside a pretty picture.
Thanks for the Navajo review David, I think we get it."
Seeing this a LOT more now than the, "Gee, this is the greatest airplane Carenado has ever made and is probably the best FSX airplane EVER..." types of replies. Yes, there is one of those (well hidden, I might add), but man, the responses are next to zero at this point. I wish I could believe that Carenado was smart enough to read the writing on the wall, but I think they are too busy working on the bugs... err, modelling for the next McPlane coming down the pipe. You know, it sounds like I hate those guys and just wish they would go away, but that's not true. I can accept the fact that they aren't capable of systems modeling like PMDG or A2A. That's fine, but to let the extremely obvious bugs pass right through to release on airplane after airplane is (frankly) the equivalent to them simply thumbing their noses at us and laughing while saying we'll buy anything they stick out, no matter how flagrant the issues. The reality is, if they would just "grow up" and get some self pride and build the best product they can (meaning fixing obvious bugs once and for all - like the attitude indicator issue - how can they NOT see that!!!!) and price accordingly, then I'd be their biggest fan. They do airplanes that most others aren't doing, they're doing airplanes that most of us here at BP love (the newer jets excepted) and their graphics are only second to PMDG and A2A, so what a boon for all of us it would be and how much money would they make (legitimately) in the process? They'd be rich and we'd have airplanes we couldn't get out of, not into. It would be a huge win-win for us all. What a shame they don't see it that way; and yes, I did send them an email stating these exact things (and as bluntly)... 2 years ago. I think we've seen the results. Sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 6:59:43 GMT -5
Oh, and just a quick PS to that - make the damn airplanes paintable instead unpaintable. If they spent as much time fixing and learning how to model systems as they do breaking the airplane up into tiny little pieces so you have little hope of every putting out an original paint job, we all would be much further ahead. Someone said that OzX has done quite a number of repaints for Carenado/Alabeo products, so I just now headed over there for a look. They have. All but one are of the old models which were paintable. Of the newer designs, only one repaint exists and that's for the PC 12 (the CT206 has also been done but I think that was just a registration change). Compare, for example, the A2A Comanche which has been out for about 2 weeks now. It already has well over a dozen repaints and on almost every single one, the developer has got on the forum and congratulated the painter on an outstanding job. They encourage the repainters, not stop them from doing their own thing. Tell me that doesn't sell airplanes! Anyway, I've said my piece, but I am saddened that Carenado/Alabeo takes the stance they do on their aircraft. I'm out of their market until they "straighten up and fly right".
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Post by olderndirt on Jul 2, 2015 11:25:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 17:37:37 GMT -5
AHAH!! I knew there was a reason for that   |
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Post by Bushpounder on Jul 2, 2015 21:50:01 GMT -5
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)). There is no flood lighting so at night your switches disappear completely and you can't tell what you're switching on/off until it happens. 
I'm waiting for the Aztruck. 
