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Post by Bushpounder on Nov 22, 2015 14:57:44 GMT -5
Man that looks good!
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Post by pivo11 on Nov 23, 2015 2:54:01 GMT -5
I can't stand it! That cargo model is great. Oh, whatever shall I do?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 7:56:55 GMT -5
BUY IT!! Misery loves comp... err, I mean, you'll REALLY like it Fritz . Remember, it is a systems heavy airplane so it's not a jump-in-and-go machine (CTRL+E does zip  ). If that's ok, you'll really like it  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 8:52:53 GMT -5
There is a new reply to my V1.5 Flight Test on Avsim that you need to read/be aware of if you are thinking of buying this airplane. It is as follows:
Now, I don't know this Tamas, or if he's a RW Lear pilot. He may be just blowing smoke, but what he's saying does sound plausible. So in the interest of fairness, I thought I'd better post this here so you'll have as much info as possible before making a decision. I still like the airplane and will still fly it, but I do think that yes, we still don't have a top quality jet of this type for FSX at this time. Unfortunately, never having flown a jet or turboprop, I'm going strictly by what seems believable. If you are looking for a high degree of accuracy, then I'm not the one to reference here. That said, he is right about the vertical control modes of the autopilot. They do not work the way they should, and in fact, the SPD mode annunciator is out-and-out wrong. That much I do know.
So, I'm not doing another about face on this. I am simply presenting as much info as I can get so you will at least be informed if you decide to purchase it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 14:21:19 GMT -5
FYI CW has chimed in again to the above post (CW is a RW Lear driver AFAIK), and has suggested a couple of things on this. If you want, you can follow the discussions on this airplane at the avsim Flysimware forum. No doubt this aircraft is not deadly accurate. But what airplane in FS is, really? I'm not at all standing up for FSW or any other group when I say that they all have their shortcomings. Whether it's systems, FDE's, engine dynamics, etc., they all fall short in some fashion. Carenado have outstanding graphics, but can't code their way out of a paper bag. F1 have decent graphics, terrible landing lights but great systems. They, like Aerosoft though, have among the worst engine dynamics (for turboprops) in the history of the sim. Just Flight have got their rpm's for the F27 so far off the mark as to make you wonder if you have a bad installation. Even with A2A, the last time I shut the aircraft down and turned off the Master, the Beacon was still going as was the GTN (I need to have a second look at this - I may have had a bug going at the time). Majestic (Dash 8) thinks that flying a Dash 8 is like flying an airplane in a sea of Jello. Their flight dynamics are among the worst I have. PMDG is about the only one who seems to get it pretty close in all parameters. My point is, that there is not a single airplane out there that will do it all (except for PMDG, and for sure, stay tuned - that DC 6 should be out any decade now!). So it boils down to what's believable and what isn't, and what you like for the class of airplane you enjoy. I've never flown a jet, so if someone says my N1's are out to lunch, I'm not going to know it. I'm happy in my ignorance. Have someone with jet time fly the Lear and they may be shaking their heads and wondering what planet this airplane was made on! Same with every other aircraft. A biggie for me is customer service. If I get told my OOM's are probably my system and I'm just about the only one with the problem, and yet I've just flown the exact same flight with the NGX, then I get my back up (especially when I can quote 3 or 4 others who also are getting OOM's for the first time in their FS lives). If they take the attitude that they are going to fix it, and then actually try to, then I feel a lot better and am much more inclined to give them a go regardless of how good or bad it is out of the box. If I get told that the sounds don't change in pitch from takeoff power to a mid-range cruise setting is an FSX limitation for the Navajo, but the 404 is dead on (even though it's exactly the same sound set), and they make no attempt to fix it, then I get my back up. Etc., etc. So on this, as with any aircraft, you have to decide what's important to you and what you feel you can believe. For me the Lear is immersive. For someone who has a lot of time on jets, it may or may not be. The link above will allow you to follow what's going on with this aircraft if you're (still) interested |
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Post by pivo11 on Nov 24, 2015 2:54:23 GMT -5
I'm waiting on the sales. If and when it's offered, I'll decide. I agree with you on the "what's believable" idea. I've got a lot of planes that I'm sure aren't anything at all like the "real thing" but since they behave like what I think seems to be correct, I'm happy with them. It's easier for me, though, I'm not a pilot, never have been one and never will be one, so I'm kind of a sucker, some ways. It must be maddening to real pilots to have something that is not even close to reality, and OOM crashes and auto pilots that don't work are not acceptable in this day and age. But the rivet counters get up my nose.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 8:04:03 GMT -5
No, you're not even close to being a sucker Fritz! Let's reserve that title for people who say things like, "This FS5 airplane made by the Acme Flight Sim Aircraft Company is the BEST airplane ever made for FSX, ever!!!" It is frustrating for those of us who have flown for real to see some of the stuff that goes on, but at the same time, FSX still is only an $80 game so we can't get too anal about it. What I find frustrating mostly is when a company will produce an airplane that is fantastic in one area, but refuses to improve in the areas they are really weak in, and ignore the customers in the process. Yet the prices keep going up. There are lots of examples of that throughout the FS world, but I'm gradually learning that the REAL "FSX Limitation" are the developers and what they are willing to do. And more and more developers seem to be placing the issues on the customer and using that as an excuse rather than right away getting down to trying to fix things. Anyway, at the same time, if you compare the add-ons we have now to what we had in the late stages of FS9, the transformation is nothing short of astounding. So while there is certainly some frustration, we can't lose sight of the gains we've made as well. I know, it sounds like I'm playing both sides of the coin, and I guess I am in a way; but while I believe in always pushing for better products, I have to reign myself in every now and then and remind myself of just how far we've come. I seriously doubt if I still had FS9 and FSX wasn't available, that I'd still be simming (that might be a good thing ). |
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Post by Bushpounder on Nov 24, 2015 11:39:18 GMT -5
OR ..... the guy who has 5 hours in a Cessna doing a review on a 747-800 and telling the world how accurately it handles. Hmmmmmm.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 15:55:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that one's a goodie!! Or even telling us how accurate the Cessna is for that matter . Gotta love it |
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