OpenLC/Vector/Global "Hard Winter" in Ontario???

[Deleted]

So I was playing around with the seasons yesterday while in my region around Southern and Central Ontario. I checked out Elliot Lake and Parry Sound in early winter. That was a mistake. Have a look at the pics here:









All those were taken pretty close to each other. So thinking this is an early winter shot and not a "hard winter" period, I switched to mid January. Same thing. There's no way in hell there should be ANY green (except on the trees themselves) at this time of year for around here! So I started looking further north. Even as far north as Big Trout Lake (CYTL) - you know, that tropical paradise not too far from Hudson Bay - there are holes like this. I'm not sure where these guys (Orbx) are getting their Geography/Climatology information from, but this is completely wrong. We get PILES of snow in these regions (way more than the Arctic) and typically it's -20 to -30 in winter up there. I checked all my settings (I did have my Ice option turned off for these shots, but I checked it with the option on and got the same thing) and can't find any issues with those. I'll tell you, it's an immersion killer to be flying along in a skiplane at -30C and to suddenly come upon a nice "summer-green" patch like you see above. That's more typical for late April or early May for those regions. I've posted this on Orbx's forum so we'll see what happens, but at this point I'm not optimistic.

[scottb]

I checked the area around Elliot Lake myself. I'm seeing the same thing. I set to January of 2014 with ActiveSky Next historical weather. As soon as I took off from CYEL I saw patches of green scattered around. The winter textures were hard winter, and all my lakes were frozen, but there was still patchy green areas that shouldn't be there.

-Scott

[pivo11]

Yeah, I'm seeing the same thing.  Poor show. 

[Deleted]

This is not good. As I said, it just kills the immersion factor, which is everything (at least for me) in FSX. Any chance you can post a confirmation here (you'll have to sign in) to lend some support for this? They have to fix this. It's bad enough that it's like this in Central Ontario, but inexcusable that it's like this in far Northern Ontario (i.e. Big Trout Lake). Even so, there shouldn't be any green until you get to S. Ohio and Maryland (at least) in January. That's nuts.

[scottb]

I just tried a flight flying north out of Fairbanks Alaska. I'm seeing the same thing there too. It's not quite as prominent, but definitely there. I don't think there would be much green north of Fairbanks in January! All the green I see looks to be a similar type of texture. I'm guessing that there is one texture set in the winter landclass that is wrong, and calling a summer texture by mistake. Hopefully an easy fix. I'll try and post some confirmation later at ORBX. I need to get my signature order numbers on though, so it might be later tonight

-Scott

[Deleted]

That sounds logical Scott. If it is just one texture set, yes, that should be an easy fix. Many thanks for this. Let's hope they listen.

[Bushpounder]

If you fly in the Caribbean during the winter months, this problem goes away! That is screwed up. Again, who beta tested it, or is that happening now?

BP;)

[Deleted]

I tried southern and northern Quebec 12/21 vs 1/27 and I did not see any green patches. I just installed the NA Open Landclass but I'll try some other areas to see if I get the same results. Only note I have is that the snow pack looks to be on the thin side but then they use shadowing to avoid a flat white look and that may be what makes the snow pack look thin. Possible the issue is not universal??

[olderndirt]

Those shots I posted a while back showing LC AK in winter had frozen lakes and rivers OK.  How's your setting in the 'Vector' config?

[Deleted]

Even southern Quebec is somewhat north of here (unless you are around Montreal or the South Shore region), but I'll have a look. Thanks. Hopefully it is universal or will be something easy I don't have set.

Dave - see post above "I checked all my settings (I did have my Ice option turned off for these shots, but I checked it with the option on and got the same thing)..." . I do get ice with the option turned on, but still get the green with or without that.

[olderndirt]

Here's what I get - FSX winter off the end of rwy30 at Elliot Lake.

[Deleted]

Yup, same as what I'm getting. You can see the "green spaces" off to your left and almost dead ahead.

[spud]

Scottb's post is probably the correct reason for the 'green' texture. FTX Global I'm sure is not 'perfect' but then FSX itself is basically a beta test from M$ as it was never finished.

[Deleted]

Just got a reply from Holger on the forum and he believes an OpenLC texture is not being called out. He's let Eugene know about this and is going to look into it. Holger agrees something is amiss here.

[spud]

Flying 'outside' of ORBX regions FTX Central v2 should be set to plain "Global" (no hybrid) IF you have and use Global v1.4.