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Post by spud on Jul 27, 2015 12:37:54 GMT -5
Talking about the new A2A Commanche ... does anybody else find the red and white paint scheme garish and unbelievable? It just looks icky to these old eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 13:06:55 GMT -5
Which red and white paint scheme are you talking about? There are quite a few designs of that colour.
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Post by spud on Jul 28, 2015 12:05:42 GMT -5
Most of the screen shots here in these forum use the paint job.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:31:10 GMT -5
Well, those would be mine I guess. That one is a close replica of Frank Kingston Smith's (author) Comanche, N5870P, and is the same design as the one I flew in Manitoba a bunch of years ago  (same design but different country) There are other designs that folks have done at A2A but most, if not all are based on RW examples  Mine was originally cream coloured instead of white, and I may return to that yet; but all of the repaints are based off real airplanes. The original released Comanche liveries are actual aircraft. So, if they appear garish to some, maybe they are but they were/are typical for what's really out there  . |
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Post by olderndirt on Jul 28, 2015 20:25:46 GMT -5
A company named 'Randolph' made most aircraft paint and Piper used two of the whites - Juneau white, bright and stark and Daytona white, had a bit of the ivory look. The white the FSX painters are using is closer to Juneau white. Two of the reds used were Tennessee red and Cadillac red which is closer to what the painters are using. Tennessee red and Daytona white, which my Pacer was, would be much easier on the eye. Those two RL photos both look like Tennessee red, not sure about the white.
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Post by spud on Jul 29, 2015 9:54:58 GMT -5
The paint on shot 1 is the one of which I speak. I actually like the scheme on the 'real airplane' (pun intended) shot #2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 10:20:30 GMT -5
Yeah, it's different alright, but was a pretty common scheme for the early Comanches. The one you see in the second shot is from much later on (mid 60's at least, I think). Piper had a similar scheme for the Tri Pacer back then as well I believe (Dave?). I don't mind it personally, but that's probably because I have some good memories attached to it.
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Post by olderndirt on Jul 29, 2015 11:08:48 GMT -5
Not being an FSX painter, it appears to me the pallette of colors available is limited to the basic red/green/blue and what you can adjust them to. Nothing too subtle and most slightly over saturated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:51:59 GMT -5
Well, in Photoshop, RGB combinations will give you every colour of the rainbow, so you aren't at all limited there. In terms of saturation and brightness, that's really determined (largely, but not solely) by your particular monitor's setting. The vast majority of monitors are not calibrated so what one person sees on their monitor may be very different to what someone else sees on theirs (looking at the same image). This is why photographers and editors have monitor profiling systems, so that when a photographer sends an editor a photograph for assessment, they both will see the same thing (same tonalities, colours, etc.). Now complicating things further is when someone takes a screenshot, there is some processing going on there as well, which may add a bit of saturation, contrast, sharpening, etc., so that will even further cause what you see on your monitor differ from what the original might have been. If you're looking at an image/screenshot over the web (as we seen in screenshots on these forums), then you have no calibration in effect at all since the web is an unprofiled environment. The long and short of it is, what you see isn't necessarily what got put up by the original author. If all the screenies you view look too saturated, then it's likely your monitor's colour is turned up a bit too high. Same can be said for brightness, etc. However, if only one author's pics look too bright/saturated/whatever, then probably the author needs to adjust their settings a bit. Or, just accept that this is how that person's images look and move on . There, everything you wanted to ask about display profiling but were too smar... err afraid to ask  . |
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Post by olderndirt on Jul 29, 2015 20:34:18 GMT -5
Good information. A thing I've noticed is that adjusting display color via Nvidia gives a slightly different result than by Microsoft. Is their a better method out there?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 5:37:50 GMT -5
Not an inexpensive one Dave. Actually, unless you are doing work that requires colour accuracy, it's not worth worrying about. In order to get true colour accuracy, you need to spend about $800 on up on a good display (my graphics monitor ran me around $2000 7 or 8 years ago) and buy colour profiling hardware/software. Even then, everything you see on the web is sRGB so it's not really calibrated anyway. I'd go with what looks best for you in terms of adjusting your colours with what you already have.
Now I was chatting with a friend last night and he said that my colours looked a little too saturated and bright. So I amended my PS action that makes me my screenshots and reduced the saturation and brightness a bit. I've processed the final images from my cross country flight (which are up now in the Screenshots forum) so you can see if those look a little better. Interestingly, I thought part of my action in PS was to boost saturation a touch, but no, there wasn't; so the colours you have been seeing were straight out of the sim (except for resizing and sharpening). So I put a small amount of desaturation and dropped the brightness a bit in the action. See how that looks. If it's better, I'll leave it in.
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Post by pivo11 on Jul 30, 2015 8:26:33 GMT -5
Now I was chatting with a friend last night and he said that my colours looked a little too saturated and bright. So I amended my PS action that makes me my screenshots and reduced the saturation and brightness a bit. I've processed the final images from my cross country flight (which are up now in the Screenshots forum) so you can see if those look a little better. Interestingly, I thought part of my action in PS was to boost saturation a touch, but no, there wasn't; so the colours you have been seeing were straight out of the sim (except for resizing and sharpening). So I put a small amount of desaturation and dropped the brightness a bit in the action. See how that looks. If it's better, I'll leave it in. If I may ask, at what time did you change the screenshots, Glenn? Because the very last set in your cross country flight were very good, I thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 9:05:54 GMT -5
The last day's flight (Carp to Digby), or the last set, if you prefer, had the updated processing. I don't see much difference on my monitor here at work, so it's hard for me to tell how much effect it had. Sounds like it's better though, so I'll leave the desaturation and debrightening (debrightening??  ) in as a standard now. Thanks for the feedback |
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Post by pivo11 on Jul 30, 2015 12:53:44 GMT -5
Well, for whatever reason, the Carp to Digby shots are just a bit more striking. It's a hard thing to explain, as you know. Perhaps a better balance between the airplane and the weather? I dunno. Anyroad, nicely done. P.S. Debrightining is not a word.  |
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Post by olderndirt on Jul 30, 2015 19:46:57 GMT -5
Your reds, and other colors depicted on the panel are just right but the aircraft red color is still a bit.............much.
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