A2A Cherokee and Alabeo Cardinal Released

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A2A Cherokee and Alabeo Cardinal released. If anyone picks them up, let us know how you like it / them.

[Bushpounder]

Hate those old Hershey bar Cherokees. Bet they could make a perty Aztec.

BP;)

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Bet you they could too. But they won't

[scottb]

I'll probably pick up the Cardinal soon. I've always really liked the 177, especially the retract version. Doesn't seem to be a bad deal getting both versions.

-Scott

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Picked up the Cherokee, just have not installed and flown...yet.
RW stuff getting in the way.

[olderndirt]

A long time ago I flew a Cardinal - fixed gear O320.  Very elegant airplane but needed more ponies.

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The main problem with the old fixed gear 177 was the laminar flow wing which needed noticable more speed to perform according to the charts.
Most pilots flew it like a 172 which effectively destroyed the book performance and resulted in the complaint about having too little power.
Although Cessna went back to the old NACA 2400 series with later versions (e.g. 177B) because most pilots simply didn't use the correct procedures, the 'damage' had been done and the Cardinal production was halted way too early.
Very similar with the A320. All pilots coming from the 737 complain about the lack of power of the A320 but it's simply a very aerodynamically clean plane which needs to be flown exactly by the book.
It's very efficient (like the first 150hp C177) but lacks the brute force to achieve the correct performance if flown at different, less optimum speeds.

[pivo11]

The Cherokee is too rich for my blood but the Cardinal is tempting.  On the other hand, my computer is getting a bit long in the tooth, maybe it's time to start thinking about that. 

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Rather a strange avionics configuration for the Cardinal. It has only a single Nav receiver on board. Yes, it includes the GPS and a nav receiver, but that's all done through one box, and you have only a single VOR display. Not that it matters in FS I guess, but I doubt that machine would be legal for IFR work in North America, given NDB's are being phased out in so many areas. I think now you need to have 2 nav receivers if I'm not mistaken, each on an independent bus. I would much rather have seen dual 1 1/2 nav/comm's and dual VOR heads or even an HSI plus a single VOR only head, with maybe a handheld GPS rather than this setup. Interesting.

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I guess it's difficult to please everyone. If you look at the 177B panel you will see that there's simply zero space for a second VOR.
If they would have deleted the ADF and replaced it with a second VOR, most people would complain that there's no ADF.
IMO having a VOR and an ADF is the better solution as you are more flexible during navigation.
In Europe you still have a lot of NDBs and there are a lot of major airports that feature NDB approaches.
Also Alabeo didn't advertise the 177 as IFR equipped, certified etc.

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                I have a Flight1 Software 177 now and its okay.    I also have a 177RG from Brett Henderson.  its main feature is that its a freebee so I will probably get the Alabeo version .....    Years ago I had a piece of a 177, and I loved it  it had the Laminar wing so you had to fly it by the book, however we put a lot of airmiles on it with no problems and we as a family flew it a lot.  I don't recall much about the panel, but then these days  that is not all I cannot recall
                       Cheers,            Carm.

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May 28, 2014 8:15:35 GMT -5 @bstolle said:

If you look at the 177B panel you will see that there's simply zero space for a second VOR.

Bunk



Dual VOR's, ADF, autopilot, etc. I even flew 172's that were dual VOR/ADF equipped, no problem. Throw in a handheld GPS or even mount one on the front-side windscreen and you're good to go

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I meant the Alabeo 177B is already fully occupied but you are completely right, the second AH is a really strange choice, especially if the plane is not officially IFR equipped.
The ADF instead of the AH and a second VOR instead of the ADF would be a 'classic' choice.
AFAIK, Carenado/Alabeo always uses actual planes they have access to, so this rather strange, or 'bunk' panel configuration apparently does exist somewhere.

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I'm sure it does exist, but it is strange. I know a single nav/com at one time was legal for IFR, but I'm not sure it is today. However, for non-commercial ops it might be ok still. In any event, for FSX it's a mere inconvenience and nothing really beyond that I suppose.

[olderndirt]

Berndt - thanks for the info about the Cardinal.  Back in those days, a wing was a wing (one on each side) and I was a fresh graduate of the 'Brute Force Flight Academy'.