Alabeo 195

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              Have any of you guys flown the Cessna 195 in reality ?
       As much as I like the Alabeo 195, I wonder about it.  For an aircraft with such a large frontal area, I find it difficult to slow down for approaches etc.   I would have expected it to  react as if you stood on the binders and threw out every thing including your flat feet when the power is cut.   Probably it's me,  and poor airmanship----but still !!!! 
     Any thoughts men ??    
                           Cheers.                Carm.

[olderndirt]

Not much but a few hours in the 195.  It's a bitch to see out of on the ground, out under the wings and around the big engine cowl but docile in the air and pulling way back on the power while holding the nose did just fine for slowing.  Alabeo seems to use the same, or very similar, FDE for all their planes.

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Aug 15, 2014 19:57:59 GMT -5 olderndirt said:

Not much but a few hours in the 195.  It's a bitch to see out of on the ground, out under the wings and around the big engine cowl but docile in the air and pulling way back on the power while holding the nose did just fine for slowing.  Alabeo seems to use the same, or very similar, FDE for all their planes.

            Thanks Dave.   Guess its more circuits and bumps for me
                                           Cheers,      Carm.

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Aug 16, 2014 9:42:36 GMT -5 carm said:

Aug 15, 2014 19:57:59 GMT -5 olderndirt said:

Alabeo seems to use the same, or very similar, FDE for all their planes.

That's about the most stupid statement I've come across within the last few month.

It's really frustrating to see that people are more happy with FSX default FDEs (e.g. old Carenado 206) or making such claims.
A lot of work went into the FDE for the 195 and it flies and handles exactly according to the numerous pireps widely available on the net.
Everything special concerning the handling of the 195 has been tuned to replicate the RW behaviour. From the slightly unusual take off procedure down to the flare.
On youtube I've seen a few 'reviews' of the 195 and apparently you are not the only one who thinks that the 195 flies 'like all other Alabeo planes'.
This can be easily detected by looking e.g. at the horrible adverse yaw (unique to the 195) in the videos which isn't recognized (let alone corrected) by most armchair pilots.

@ carm

Lack of drag? That's exactly why the 'flaps' are there on the 195! They provide zero additional lift, only drag due to the extremely clean airframe.
I fail to see a 'large frontal area' at all. Almost no windscreen and no wing struts, don't know where the drag should come from.

[Bushpounder]

Well, if others also think it is like all the other Alabeo planes, maybe there is something there. While the FDE is set at specifics, the settings in one's system can and will alter that. So it isn't a stupid statement at all.

BP;)

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Erm, if one doesn't recognice and/or countact the adverse yaw and really thinks that an Extra, a C188 and a GeeBee have the 'same or very similar FDEs' than this has nothing to do with the 'system'.
That's simply stupidity, or more politely put, lack of flying/fightsim knowledge.

[Bushpounder]

Not everyone flys the same, Bernt. Some have rudders and ailerons coupled. Some have P factor set to zero. Some have unlimited fuel. Some have a million different combinations. No two computers are the same, and people fly for different reasons. It is opposite of what you say. It isn't lack of knowledge necessarily. It it the knowledge of what they want to do that is important to them. Stupidity is claiming that you have all the answers and that you are only correct. I believe you are the one with the lack of sim knowledge, or more politely put, that the INDIVIDUAL is the main part of the game. What one want it to do is what is important to THEM, not YOU. That is the part you have missed for years. While my hat is off to you for your hard work and I do respect it, you have always left the individual out of the equation. Their wants and wishes do NOT make them wrong. What is also a bad move is to come to a site and calling people and their ideas, stupid. THAT is stupid and will not be tolerated. Who the hell do you think you are?

BP;)

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Well, I thought this webiste is about people who are interested in realistic flying/sim flying. Apparently I was wrong. Judging by your respones Glenns hate e-mail unfortunately makes much more sense as well.
Please delete my account ASAP.

[olderndirt]

Bernt - give me a break - I worked with you on Mike's (Flight Replica's) Super Cub.  We both know that flyin' (real life) and flight simmin' are birds of a different feather.  You are the recognized guru of FDE's but I've got about 6000 hours of adverse yaw, including the 195 and I still had to S turn to see where I was going.

[Bushpounder]

This site is about people enjoying their flight simulator. Period. Some want it realistic, which it can never be 100%, and some want a video game. That holds true for every site out there. Your ego hangs you everywhere you go. I knew it was a matter of time for you here, and I hit it on the head again. Too bad, because you are good at what you do, and both myself and the community know that. However, this is still a game at the end of the day, and people will enjoy in their own ways. Until you recognize that, you will continue to bounce around from site to site to site as you have done for years. It's a shame.

BP;)

[pivo11]

Ahhh, Bernt, you disappoint me.  "Hate" e-mails and "stupidity"?  Come along, you know better than that.  And asking for your account to be deleted sounds petulant, at best.  Go easy, ok?

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While your (Bernt) comments are hardly worth the time it takes to type the words, I don't recall calling anyone "stupid" or making any personal remarks against you or anyone else here, or otherwise. So I think you (Bernt) have it mixed up as to who is sending the "hate" mail. That's as "personal" as I'm going to get here because frankly, I don't want to stoop to your level. But any respect I had for you at all is now long gone. It was obviously misplaced all this time. Maybe some here thought you did a good job with the FDE's, but as a RW, high time pilot, I wasn't one of them. Oh, and radial engines DO create a large amount of drag. I know, I have several thousand hours in various airplanes with radial engines. How many do you have?

'Nuff said. Bye.

[Bushpounder]

I was trying to be nice, but why bother now. LOL! I agree with you on the FDEs. After the fiasco in the Avsim forum a few months back, I lost a lot of repect for his work and his to-die-for followers. I also agree that a radial is nothing short of a wall trying to fly through the air. While the 195 has a fairly aerodynamic cowling, it is nonetheless a radial.I have but a handful of hours with radials, and that time was in Beech 18's. Not enough time to really comment on radials per say. But regardless of any of this crap being true or untrue, right or wrong, NO ONE will come in here and call people stupid without getting blasted by me.

BP;)

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Gentlemen;
I now wish I had never asked the question. Certainly I never dreamed it would cause such animosity and behaviour.
Frankly, I am shocked and disappointed.
Carman Johnston....

[Bushpounder]

It's over, Carm. It didn't have to go the way it did, but I will not allow anyone to come into this forum and blast people. You had a legitimate question. If Bernt hadn't chosen to tear into people, this would not have happened. Some here knew I predicted just this happeneing and it did. Oh well - let's get back to flying and let's see somemore pics of that 195!

BP;)