"Enema" approaches - high, hot and a hell of a lot.

[Bushpounder]

Title: A ground speed question.



olderndirt - November 7, 2011 03:01 AM (GMT)


A thing I've suspected about FS is the apparent ground speed as you approach the runway threshold. Assuming a no wind condition, your airspeed on short final is usually transitioning from final approach to level off, hence to flair. Now that I'm using both the Wilga and Storch, which have fantastically low 'over the fence' speeds, I still have this illusion of rushing along ground speed wise. In real life, in a Tcraft or Cub, you could almost reread the landing instructions as it got itself to the runway.


pivo11 - November 7, 2011 07:45 AM (GMT)



Hmmmnn, that's true. I just thought that it was normal, being as I have no real experience.

Cheers,

P.S. Where did you find a Wilga?


olderndirt - November 7, 2011 04:30 PM (GMT)






QUOTE (pivo11 @ Nov 7 2011, 02:45 AM)



Hmmmnn, that's true. I just thought that it was normal, being as I have no real experience.

Cheers,

P.S. Where did you find a Wilga?



Actually it found me - Aerosoft, 21 bucks.


pivo11 - November 7, 2011 04:56 PM (GMT)



Thanks, I knew someone was building one but I completely missed the release.

It's so beautifully ugly that I gotta have one.

Cheers,


Bushpilot - November 7, 2011 07:44 PM (GMT)


Getting back to your original question, I sometimes can see what you are seeing, but other times not. What I found makes a really big difference is the zoom setting you have. When I zoom back so as to better see the panel, I get a much greater feeling of speed. Normally I fly with a zoom setting of about 80% (as opposed to 50 to 60 on some aircraft during takeoff and landing, and even less than that with helicopters). When I stay up around 80% or so, aircraft with slower approach speeds do feel quite a bit slower to me than machines with higher speeds. When zoomed back though, especially just for takeoffs and landings, it feels like I'm going much faster, even in machines with slower approach speeds than it would otherwise.

Not sure if that really answers your question, but for me it's "yes and no".


pivo11 - November 7, 2011 09:42 PM (GMT)



I never thought of that. I don't recall what my zoom setting is, I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

Cheers,


olderndirt - November 8, 2011 01:36 AM (GMT)


Me neither. I've been adjusting with EZDOK for so long I'd forgotten about zoom. Thanks for the tip.

[Deleted]

Well. Wasn't going to carry this one any further, but I guess since it's been brought up (guess I've been "told"), I should respond (last one for this however).

olderndirt - I owe you an apology I guess. Despite the fact you didn't reference this post and I didn't think it necessary to go searching through 3 1/4 years of posts, and that I had forgotten this post was ever written (guess maybe I'm older than you are now - mind is getting very forgetful apparently); you are right. I did say that and you didn't make this "sh$t" up. It doesn't, in my interpretation of Fritz's question, pertain to what Fritz was asking in the current post, but nevertheless I did say what I said. So, I'm sorry for not having recognized you were referencing the post that Don so diligently found.

@fritz - my apologies to you too. Apparently I misinterpreted your question. I thought you were asking about how to get an airplane on the ground and stopped on a short runway in terms of techniques, not in terms of visual queues. From what you said, it sounds like that part has been taken care of. I was describing technique and the only things that matter in that respect are airspeed (and to a degree, groundspeed if you have to land downwind) and altitude. Simple truth - if you are too high and/or too fast for the length of the runway, you aren't going to get stopped in time. If your airplane can't fly slow enough or you can't approach low enough, you need a different airplane. Hopefully that covers all bases.



Sorry to all for the confusion.

[pivo11]

C'mon, Glenn, there ain't no reason at all to get so churned up.  I was asking about techniques and you responded with useful information.  Dave was asking about the perception of ground speed in FSX and referenced a post that you had made about that.  That's all, mate, sheeeeshh.     I've spoken with the night nurse and you will feel better soon. 

[olderndirt]

What's more unpleasant on a forum than the sound of ruffled feathers.  Mine are back in place and I too apologize. 

[Sandy]

Group hug? Nah... I'll buy all of you a Scotch, and call the issue done.

Good info to be had all around though, so I appreciate the thread.

[olderndirt]

Jan 15, 2015 20:26:50 GMT -5 Sandy said:

Group hug? Nah... I'll buy all of you a Scotch, and call the issue done.

Good info to be had all around though, so I appreciate the thread.

Haig&Haig Pinch for me .

[pivo11]

Bunnahabhain 25.  From the isle of Islay. 

[Sandy]

Excellent choice... I have a bottle of the 12 year old on my shelf. The 25 year old will take a significantly deeper reach into my bank account...

[Sandy]

Jan 15, 2015 22:44:00 GMT -5 olderndirt said:

Haig&Haig Pinch for me .

Not familiar with that one... I enjoy a new quest, though!

[spud]

Here ya go:

www.haigwhisky.com/

Found in Navy "O" clubs world wide, ... at least back in the day!

[Deleted]

Jan 22, 2015 9:07:27 GMT -5 spud said:

Here ya go:

www.haigwhisky.com/

Found in Navy "O" clubs world wide, ... at least back in the day!

Haig is good stuff Dave. But, Try this nectar of the Gods!!--- ' Redbreast ' Single Pot Still Irish whiskey.

Its so smooth yu don't know its a goin down. Its a 12 year old Irish nectar.   

[olderndirt]

Jan 22, 2015 1:22:27 GMT -5 Sandy said:

Jan 15, 2015 22:44:00 GMT -5 olderndirt said:

Haig&Haig Pinch for me .

Not familiar with that one... I enjoy a new quest, though!

No longer distributed in Washington State so my son got me a 'Dalwhinnie' this year.  Always favored 'Pinch', one of the upgrade blends like Chivas - not up to Royal Salute or Johnny Walker Blue though.